the lightest rod with the same power(only reminding)..lol.

Frequency is a good indicator and the form used to measure it relatively in the CCS can easily show one blank that stands to be more sensitive than another. Of course, stiffness to weight ratio plays a major role in frequency.

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Tom Kirkman Wrote:
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> Frequency is a good indicator and the form used to
> measure it relatively in the CCS can easily show
> one blank that stands to be more sensitive than
> another. Of course, stiffness to weight ratio
> plays a major role in frequency.
>
> .....................

Which is why a broomstick is more 'sensitive' than an equal length and mass of car tire by some folks measure of sensitive.

personally i love a fore grip no rear grip and bright lines up to my floro topshot.
I see 5x more bites than i ever feel. even with braid the line moves way before feel can be transmitted, even edgy live baits show more than they feel.
i also own NRX and Eternity 2. I catch about the same with both but their low mass is more to stop wrist fatigue after many hours on the water.
So i use very light reels too.
But I prefer a fast S glass to either the NRX or eternity 2 as i tend to fall about some in the boat and broken sensitive rod is useless to me.

Phil Ewanicki Wrote:
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> If rod sensitivity is a real phenomenon
> there must be a way to measure it by speed or
> weight or some physical characteristic; something
> besides faith or prejudice.


Maybe this will help you understand how sensitivity works and why it is a trend this days to use microfibers in carbon and nanomolecules in resin when it comes to blanks building materials (just keep in mind that sound is vibration and they both are in fact kinetic energy ) . [www.nde-ed.org] . If you want to measure sensitivity all you have to do is cut little pieces from different parts of the blanks (because nowadays they use different fibers in different section of a blank ) and take them to a lab where they can measure the properties of the inner structure of the material.
By the way, if your curiosity extends further than this, then please open a separate topic where people can talk about this subject and leave this one alone.

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Lou Auret Wrote:
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> I see 5x more bites than i ever feel.

Please try to do that at night fishing, heavy wind conditions or foggy days .

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Lou, you are so correct...i have caught more fish by detecting line movement than by feel, in fact as some say-if you can feel him, he can feel you too..i know from fly fishing that stripping in a streamer often turns into a hook set..the fish is suddenly there like magic..lol.

Thomas Kaufmann Wrote:
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> Carol check out Tackle tours review of the latest
> Kistler built on the x Ray. They are rather biased
> towards the JDM market and for them to give it
> that type of rating says at least a little
> something. Just some food for thought

Thank you very much, my thoughts are chewing a lot right now after reading that food :-) ;-)

Eugene Moore Wrote:
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> Carol,
> For what it's worth the new "Asquith" is a better
> blank.
> The manufacturing technique is new and really does
> work.
> I had the opportunity to cast one and they are a
> step above the NRX.
> I don't believe Loomis has made that one available
> to the builder market.
> Sorry, but that doesn't really help.
>
> Gene

Thank you Gene but you're right, it doesn't really helps since i was trying to cut down the costs by building on a blank without stripping a rod.

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Norman Miller Wrote:
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> Thomas - I have used all of the blanks named
> above, and the Point Blanks are one of my
> favorites, I did mention Point Blanks as an option
> in my first post above. I total disagree with you
> about them not being in the same league with the
> others. They are great blanks, very light with a
> unique feel that I really like. I do not use
> Phenix K2s any more after a couple of them
> exploded in the hands of a couple of my friends
> while fishing. Beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder. I am also not trying start anything, but
> I do not want people reading this thread to think
> that Point Blanks are not a high end quality
> blank, which they are.
> Norm

I knew Phenix K2 first generation has a bad habit of exploding but I understood that the second generation was improved.
Point blanks were very appealing to me specially because that handle construction is very friendly with my own "constrictor" reel seat . The problem was I did not have enough feedback from users by now to buy myself one of them (I am more of a cautious kind of guy and usually I don't buy things in their first year on the market ) . I will consider one in the future but not for the particular rod I have in mind right now.

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Carol, you mentioned night fishing which is something i used to do a lot for bass..the trigger at night for bass was mainly sound..sometimes an explosion right next to the boat, especially on a zara spook..that,s three ways to sense a fish bite..can you smell or taste a fish bite..lol.

Let's not forget about the rod with the smoothest action as well as the most sensitive. Every other advertisement makes this claim.

Absolutely, right after the fillet is smothered in butter and onions and fried..lol.

Don't forget the side of a fresh garden salad and a few fresh vegetables as well.

Then, in this warm weather a nice frozen dessert to top it all off.

Good luck

hi Roger..we are a family of gardeners..we got all that covered my friend..my nephew is a fermenting genius which means a steady supply of sourkraut and kombucha, pickles really anything from the garden..but i have to watch the ascetic acid but everyone else loves it..

Phil Ewanicki Wrote:
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> Let's not forget about the rod with the smoothest
> action as well as the most sensitive. Every other
> advertisement makes this claim.

Everything we purchase in our lives has a descriptive wording. I am at a loss to understand your dislike of descriptive words, it must drive you nuts when you go grocery shopping.

Terry: Thanks for your concern, but after decades of disappointments I have learned to ignore descriptions such as "new" and "improved" and "soulful" and "sensitive" when used to describe products for sale and stick to measurable benefits and price to select the products I buy. In the case of the groceries you mention I look at price, weight, expiration date, color, and other such objective, verifiable data when I buy groceries, and I ignore undocumented claims of "sensitivity" when I recommend or buy rod blanks. I'll stick with price, weight, power, action, and guarantee.

Phil Ewanicki Wrote:
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> Terry: Thanks for your concern, but after decades
> of disappointments I have learned to ignore
> descriptions such as "new" and "improved" and
> "soulful" and "sensitive" when used to describe
> products for sale and stick to measurable benefits
> and price to select the products I buy. In the
> case of the groceries you mention I look at price,
> weight, expiration date, color, and other such
> objective, verifiable data when I buy groceries,
> and I ignore undocumented claims of "sensitivity"
> when I recommend or buy rod blanks. I'll stick
> with price, weight, power, action, and guarantee.

I will say soulful is a bit over the top but it is an attention getter, for marketing purpose only. I think the vast majority of builders and users would rate that very low on their want list. You say you have been building over 60 years and then you say you pay no attention to the descriptors new and improved. It seems you may be implying that the blanks you began with 60 years ago are the same as todays blanks. I think you know that todays blanks are newer and improved over those blanks so to disregard those two descriptors is surprising to me. If you think sensitivity has no bearing on your builds i wish you continued success in your business, obviously you know your customers better than we do and your model works for you.

Terry: There is absolutely no doubt rod materials have changed for the better, and these changes can be measured/quantified. There has been little change in advertising buzz-words and come -ons.

We need some new and improved buzz-words..lol.

If you’re wanting a more sensitive rod to improve your fishing, think it through first. Knowledge combined with proper technique will prevail every time. My most sensitive rod in the hands of a rookie is good for laughs - just relax and laugh - it’s OK. The best advice I every got on how to feel a bite while using a 1/16 jig and a Gitzit came from Bobby Garland “pay attention and weigh the LINE on each cast, if it gets heavier, set the hook, if it gets lighter, set the hook, any rookie can feel a TICK .” Thank you Bobby Garland.

Wish I could answer your question. I would like to build my son a 5 wt fly rod with a G-Loomis NRX LP blank, dream on. I am also considering the following blanks but the performance of any of these alternatives does not compare to the NRX LP. Would be nice to see what Gary Loomis recommends from North Fork as a best alternative?

1. SAGE X
2. ST CROIX LEGEND ELITE
3. RL WINSTON BIIIX