Has anyone done a list or chart showing NCP thread colors and the colors they transition to when wet?

I did see on one of the posts that scarlet becomes maroon. Did it, right on, looks great on a RS Rev blank! Just wondered. I too like the translucent effect on the wrap.

Also I wondered what likers of the NCP thread use to blacken the filed area of a black framed guide foot. Sharpie, fingernail polish, paint marker, ink?

NCP thread doesn't change color by much - are you sure you're not referring to regular nylon which darkens and turns semi-translucent?

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Tom, guess I should better proofread my posts. You're correct, regular nylon colors that darken to become a different color.

Angler's Workshop before the move had pictures in their catalog that helped. Thing is none of those threads are still available.
I don't care usually what that guide foot looks like, I don't look at the bottom of the rod much where the guides are, if I'm required to care I use black finger nail polish.

Thanks Spencer. Guess I'll have to experiment.

Whenever I wonder about thread color change, I just do a short wrap on the blank of the rod being built.

Then, I just use a brush to coat the thread wrap with denatured alcohol. The color that the thread becomes when wet with DNA - is fairly close to the color that the thread will be when dry after applying thread finish and it has dried.

So, if I am looking for a particular match - I will buy 2-5 spools of thread in the color family that I am trying to match and do test wraps with each to see how the colors pan out. Normally I only have to try two different colors to have the correct color that I will actually use.

Be safe

Thanks Roger. Just trying to find out if anyone has logged results of colors after finish saturation. I was hoping not buy several spools to test.

I have had NCP thread get dark spots in it, so now I use CP on anything I don't want to be translucent, NCP or not. The CP also helps set the guide position after final adjustments (makes it harder to move).

What you can do to visualize the color change and CP effects, is on a scrap piece of blank, wrap 1"' of all the colors you use, spaced apart, them apply CP to half of each wrap (no CP to the other half) then apply the epoxy. This will give you a side by side comparison of, with and without CP. This does not take into account the effect of different colored blanks as the base.

I find using this tool to be very helpful in working with clients to show them them outcomes.

I have also made a similar piece with all the various types of trim wraps I do, ie. color combinations, tip wraps, imbedded,, spiral, olive leaf, etc.

It gives the customer something to chose from.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2017 07:10PM by Phil Erickson.

Lance, any issues with guide bonding with finish over CP?

Phil, thanks, I'll do a display piece with what I have.

Charlie Visek Wrote:
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> Lance, any issues with guide bonding with finish
> over CP?
>
> Phil, thanks, I'll do a display piece with what I
> have.

No Charlie, not yet. I do make it a habit of cleaning the the rod blank with Denatured Alcohol or Acetone prior to wrapping. I have repaired some of my rods where the guide got damaged and needed to be replaced. The foot was not loose or easy to remove so it appears the CP had no negative effect on the bonding. I have re-used guides after someone broke the blank and rebuilt the new rod with those, again all the guides seemed to be well bonded and not easily removed.

Kind of hitting on what Roger said...I have a old piece of blank that I have done short wraps on with each color thread that I have, including NCP and Nylon, and applied thread finish over them. I do two wraps of the same color next to each other and then CP one of them and leave the other without CP (even on NCP thread as the NCP will change a little bit without CP). This way I have a quick reference when trying to match thread for repairs, or letting customers select a thread color, knowing exactly what the finished product will look like.

Phil Erickson Wrote:
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> What you can do to visualize the color change and
> CP effects, is on a scrap piece of blank, wrap 1"'
> of all the colors you use, spaced apart, them
> apply CP to half of each wrap (no CP to the other
> half) then apply the epoxy. This will give you a
> side by side comparison of, with and without CP.
> This does not take into account the effect of
> different colored blanks as the base.
>
> I find using this tool to be very helpful in
> working with clients to show them them outcomes.
>
> I have also made a similar piece with all the
> various types of trim wraps I do, ie. color
> combinations, tip wraps, imbedded,, spiral, olive
> leaf, etc.
>
> It gives the customer something to chose from.

Ditto

John Shear
Chippewa Falls, WI

Color transitions - PacBay nylon threads
Tested several 5 colors. Grey (Y100A-GG), Tan (Y100A-TN), SkyBlue (Y100A-SB), Spring Green (Y100A-SG) and Old Gold (Y100A-OG). Wrapped two 1/4" bands of each color.on a charcoal blank. One set of bands got a coat of CP and finish and the other set just finish. Here my are the results. The set with CP darkened colors by 15-20%, the set with just finish darkened by 50%-80%. Of the finish only I give special mention of the colors Old Gold which turned into a root beer or ginger depending on light source and the Tan thread turned into one of my favorite softbait colors green pumpkin. .Spring green turned into a kelly green, the grey surprised me by turning into a dark charcoal/ grey/green and the sky blue into a light navy blue.

I did wrap a couple colors of PacBay colorfast threads too! I am impressed how well the thread wraps blend to each other. After finishing they only darkened maybe 5% and look like a band tape on the blank.

My next rod will get the green pumpkin treatment, color coded for worm fishing.