Hi everyone , and happy holidays, ok so I have a guy who wants a spinning rod built with guides that I have never used before. He wants Amtac A frame ring lock ( wants holo/holo color). Will be using a size 35 pflueger patriarch with 6-8# braid. Don't know if I should start with a 20 or a 25 and what size to go to next. Would like to go to a size 5 runner as the third guide and run those to the tip, looking for help in sizes as I don't want to buy several sizes to see what works best, I don't think Id ever use the extra guides in that color. Thanks in advance. Tim

Tim,
I would use my standard spinning guide setup.

Size 25 match guide - tall guide
Size 16, size 10 - size 5 runners to the tip and a size 5 tip top.

Good luck

With such small, supple line, I suspect you could easily get by with a #20 ring.

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Does the idea that the stripper guide should have an ID no less than half the OD of the spool still have any relevance? This is the "rule" I use when not using MicroWave guides for spinning rods.

Or, is this like finding, and building on, the spine? An outdated concept?

Gary,
I simply use the concept that I essentially do not want my line to rub on the stripper line, if I am doing a line retrieve under slight tension.
If I find that the line is rubbing along the top of the stripper guide under slight tension on a line retrieve, I will go to a larger or taller stripper guide.

I find that this simple technique results in a nice free flowing line that does a great job on both casts and retrieves.

Be safe

I think Amtak publishes guide heights so you should be able to lay out the various possibilities and go for the straight line between your first runner and the reel spool shaft tip. It's like doing the 27X table edge method graphically before you buy the guides. I agree a 20 should work fine if placed properly. I have built with just two reduction guides using similar guides to yours, and it works fine.

Be sure to raise the reel position to where it will be with the seat you are going to use so your graphical analysis will be accurate.

Gary Kilmartin Wrote:
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> Does the idea that the stripper guide should have
> an ID no less than half the OD of the spool still
> have any relevance? This is the "rule" I use when
> not using MicroWave guides for spinning rods.
>
> Or, is this like finding, and building on, the
> spine? An outdated concept?


Gary,

I was the originator of that concept and it was never intended to be a hard and fast "rule" but rather a good place to start.

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AmTac A frame guide is not a tall guide; its #25 is about as tall as a #20 KR or match guide, so I'd recommend sticking with #25.



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Tim,
I wouldn't be concerned with the height for your application, the Am Tack and Fuji Alconite are of similar height and the Fuji have been used in. Size 20 for almost 2 decades.

Thanks everyone for the replies, think I'll try the 20 (could also bend the frame slightly to get a little extra height) short of looking it up on Amtac site as Michael suggested, (jammed up with a ton of things to do before Christmas, and I know what will happen if I go to the Amtac site.....21/2 hrs later I'd get back to business) what size do you think would be my best guess? a 10 then possibly the 5 F runner / choke?

The AmTac A frame grouping of 20 (41.41 mm), 12 (26.8 mm), and 6 (14.55 mm), is similar in height to the Fuji KL-H 16 (43.3 mm), KL-H 8 (26.8 mm), and KL-M 5.5 (14.6 mm) grouping used in the Fuji KR layout. The AmTac A Frame 25 (50.69 mm), 12 (26.08 mm), and 6 (14.55 mm) grouping is similar in height to the Fuji KL-H 20 (50.8 mm), KL-H 10 (30.2 mm) and KL-M 5.5 grouping. Either of these groupings will work with AmTac size 5 runners. Not sure of the size of the Pflueger reel, if it is similar to a 3000 series size, I would go with the size 25 A frame grouping, if smaller than a 3000 series reel you could use the size 20 A frame grouping. However, using such light braid either grouping would be ok.
Norm

Thanks for the info Norm, very helpful really appreciate it, thanks everyone