Any tips on removing Duckett guides?

Little heat from a lighter and cut along the top of the guide foot so you don't hit the blank. Then your finger nail or popsicle stick and heat as needed. Not to hot though.

No heat, just shave the thread from the top of the guide foot and peel the thread off.

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That was the most difficult guide i have ever taken off. The thread just falls apart when i pull on it and the finish doesnt seem like epoxy. The worse part is some of the white paint came off but at least it will be under the new thread. Seems like they install the guides very poorly which makes the repair very painfull.

Heat has no effect on those wraps. The finish is very hard and brittle. Like Tom said, cut along the top of the guide foot and peel it off.

I love those rods. Constant source of rod repair business for me.:)

Lou Auret Wrote:
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> I love those rods. Constant source of rod repair
> business for me.:)


Yup and ABU Garcia Vendetta micros. Most guys just simply have me replace them all.

Does anyone know what finish is on there rods Does not sound like epoxy nor permagloss ??

Bill - willierods.com

Bill, from having repaired a bunch of them i am thinking its one of those cure via a light source type epoxies.

Like we use for making lures and dentists use for gluing in crowns etc.

By the time i get to them it looks like they never stopped curing: perhaps exposure to lots of sunlight? But that stuff has gone rock hard.

Yes the finish is a UV cure composite. No, they come off the line just that hard. There is no additional hardening in sunlight. It is a drawback (or a plus) depending on your point of view.

ken,
just curious: if they cure via UV how do they stop curing in sunlight( a good UV emitter).
Is there a cure limit with the product they use ? Or do they coat with a Uv blocker or?
I know the lures and fly heads i make using various wave length emitters could use that if available.

The UV liquids commonly used for rod wraps cure at around 360 - 365nm. Below that (down to the 240nm range) are primarily used for zapping bacteria in water treatment and in furnaces to cleanse air passing through a plenum. That range is very dangerous! Sunlight while it contains the 365nm wavelength just doesn't have sufficient strength to further cure the compound no matter how long it remains in sunlight. Yes, there are products available for use in curing fly heads and they work but most have some inherent drawbacks - too hard and subject to cracking / crazing when flexed or too soft (to the point of 'squishy') and some require a second step of rub down with alcohol to remove a hazy/oily residue. You will, I think find that those used on fly heads cure up around 395nm like the small penlight that is available for - which is inherently safer for your eyes and skin. Those products are sold by LOON, Tuffleye, Bugbond, Clear Cure Goo and several others and will also cure in sunlight (given enough time - several minutes to an hour or more. The basic premise is the lower the NM number the more resistant it is to sunlight cure and the more intense the applied light source needs to be. I've been "playing around" with different solutions/liquids and light sources for several years including encapsulates (which perform inherently better and are used on spacecraft electrical components). My work in this area to date could put a "productized" unit on the market for about $100.00 - much of which would have to go to non-recurring R&D time) and would provide a safe, non-yellowing, one-step, one coat equivalent to 3 coats of permagloss in around 10 seconds. This would be excellent for one or two guide repair work but I've found most builders would still prefer the "deep" look of 2-part epoxy for most of their builds. So, I doubt I will look to any broad-based marketing and simply develop it for myself.

Thanks Ken. I too play with the fly head and lure products which is why i asked. Also the yellowing is bad on most i have used.
But i normally lose the lure or fly before its a problem.

The resins in some are epoxy based and will definitely yellow. Others are acrylic or varnish type base materials and will not yellow at all. Again this is why I chose to focus on the lower end of the light spectrum. In that case too the lower the NM number the less it will yellow.

That stuff sounds like it is Too Hard and when a blank flexes and it does not you would get a lot of cracked finish ????

Bill - willierods.com

There was one i played with that i was going to try use on a rod, it was marketed for repairing waders and was flexible,

Here's some info for anyone really interested. [globalflyfisher.com] Of these Clear Cure Goo offers a one-step softer finish that does not leave behind a sticky residue (per their information).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2015 08:04AM by Ken Preston.

This product has high potential to fill rod/guide repair:

[www.masterbond.com]


If anyone is interested I will post the Technical Data Sheet when I receive it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2015 12:10PM by Ken Preston.

Product Description
Master Bond UV22 is a nanosilica filled, UV curable,
epoxy based system for bonding, sealing, coating and
encapsulation. It is 100% reactive and does not contain
any solvents or diluents. It is also completely free of any
oxygen inhibition. This nanosilica filled system retains
full optical clarity and has enhanced abrasion resistance,
dimensional stability and unsurpassed low shrinkage. UV22
will cure quickly and easily when exposed to a UV light
source with a wavelength range between 320-365 nm, with
the optimum at 365 nm. The energy required is typically
20-40 milliwatts per cm². The rate of cure depends upon
the distance of the light from the material being cured,
the thickness of the section and the intensity of the light
source. It typically cures in thicknesses of a few microns
to about 1/8 inch in 15-45 seconds depending upon the
depth of cure. Epoxy based UVs are described as having a
“cationic” curing reaction. This kind of system will typically
offer higher temperature resistance than the majority of
other UV systems. UV22 has excellent resistance to a wide
variety of chemicals including water, acids, bases, fuels
and many solvents. It features superb physical strength
characteristics and electrical insulation properties. UV22
has superior adhesion to a wide variety of substrates
including plastics, glass and many metals. As is typical with
UVs, it has excellent optical clarity and light transmission
properties. UV22 has exemplary low shrinkage properties,
linearly less than 1%. In order to attain optimal properties,
especially temperature resistance, a post cure with heat is
recommended.
Cationic systems, such as UV22, tend to have much higher
temperature resistance than other UV type systems. Its
glass transition temperature (Tg) with a straight UV cure
is 100°C, and when post cured for 30 minutes at 125-
150°C, the Tg is 135°C. This post cure also enhances UV22’s
chemical resistance. The service temperature range for
this system is -80°F to +350°F. It should be noted that
there’s no settling out of the nanosillica filler and the
product retains its uniformity throughout its shelf life. It
is widely used for a variety of applications in the optical,
optoelectronic, aerospace and related industries.
Product Advantages
?? One component system; no mixing needed
?? Nanosilica filled, enhanced dimensional stability and
superior abrasion resistance
?? Not oxygen inhibited. Cationic type cure
?? Superior temperature resistance, especially when post
cured with heat
?? Outstanding optical clarity and light transmission
?? Passes NASA low outgassing test requirements
Typical Properties
Viscosity, 75°F 1,000-8,000 cps
Tensile strength, 75°F >7,000 psi
Tensile modulus, 75°F >400,000 psi
Hardness, 75°F >75 Shore D
Coefficient of linear expansion, 75°F 45-50 ppm/°C
Glass transition temperature, 75°F, without post
cure
100°C
Glass transition temperature, 75°F, with post cure
at 125-150°C
135°C
Refractive index, 75°F 1.52
Linear shrinkage <1%
One component, nanosilica filled UV curable epoxy system meets NASA low outgassing specification
Key Features
33 Exceptional abrasion resistance
33 Superb optical clarityTypical Properties—Continued
Volume resistivity, 25°C >1014 ohm-cm
Dielectric constant, 25°C, 60 Hz 3.4
Dielectric constant, 25°C, 100 Hz 4.1
Dissipation factor, 25°C, 60 Hz 0.025
Dissipation factor, 100°C, 106 Hz 0.029
Shelf life, in original, unopened containers at 75°F 6 months
Service temperature range -80°F to +350°F [-62°C to +177°C]Preparation of Adhesive & Bonding
Surfaces
UV22 is a single part system that requires no special mixing
or heating. Realistically, one of the substrates to be bonded
must be optically clear with no UV blocking agents to allow
the light to penetrate the surface of the substrate. Typically
optically clear surfaces such as glass, polycarbonates and
acrylics (that do not contain UV blocking agents) do not
require surface preparation. If bonding an optically clear
substrate to a metal, plastic or rubber, it is advisable to
use proper surface treatments, such as roughening or
chemically etching, to optimize adhesion. All substrates
should be clean and free of oils, dirt, grease, etc. for proper
adhesion.
Adhesive Application
Master Bond UV22 can be conveniently applied by spraying,
brushing or rolling. The system can be applied as a coating
in thicknesses up to 0.015-0.020 inches. For bonding
applications, bond line thicknesses of 0.001-0.003 inches
are more than adequate. Porous surfaces may require
somewhat more adhesive to fill the voids than non-porous
ones. The parts to be bonded should then be fixtured
together with just enough pressure to maintain intimate
contact during cure. The beauty of the system, from a
processing standpoint, is that it requires no mixing, it’s fast
curing and fixturing time is minimal. Since UV22 is 100%
reactive and does not contain any solvents or diluents,
shrinkage upon cure is minimal.
Cure
As previously noted, Master Bond UV22 requires exposure
to an appropriate UV light source with adequate intensity
to cure, ideally at a wavelength of 320-365 nm. UV22
normally cures in 15-45 seconds, or less, under appropriate
conditions. It will not sufficiently cure in sunlight and
needs a suitable UV light source. The system can be post
cured for 30 minutes at 125-150°C for enhanced chemical
and temperature resistance. One can remove the excess
adhesive with a spatula, then wipe with a rag and solvent
such as acetone or xylene.
Packaging
Product is available in:
?? 1/2 Pints
?? Pints
?? Quarts
?? Gallons
?? 5 Gallons
Specialty packaging is also available in syringes.
Handling and Storage
All materials of this type should be used with good
ventilation and skin contact should be avoided. For
safe handling details, please consult the product MSDS.
Optimum storage is at or below 75°F in closed containers.
No special storage conditions are necessary. Containers
should, however, be kept closed when not in use to avoid
contamination. The material should be kept in a dark area
to avoid any accidental exposure to sunlight. Cleanup of
spills and equipment is readily achieved with aromatic
or ketone solvents employing proper precautions of
ventilation and flammability.
Certifications
Not to Be Used for Specification Purposes
The values contained herein are considered typical
properties only and are not intended to be used
as specification limits. For assistance in preparing
specifications, please contact Master Bond technical
support for further details.
Notice
Master Bond believes the information on the data sheets
is reliable and accurate as is technical advice provided by
the company. Master Bond makes no warranties, expressed
or implied, regarding the accuracy of the information, and
assumes no liability regarding the handling and use of this
product.

Thanks Ken.
Sounds good but i can see problems with storgage and possibly special shipping needed here in the South.
75 degrees is a cool night time tempreature for many months of the year.
Plus that is unopened storage temp, may have to use like permagloss with a screw in the container.
Interesting.
I will let you know if i get some what my results were, usbale shelf life etc..