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"tracking"
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:01PM
I read an ad by the marketer of top-quality blanks that their top-of-the-line fly rod blanks "track" better than their lower price blanks and competitors' blanks. Exactly what is meant by a fly rod blank's "tracking" and how can I detect it or measure it in relation to other blanks? Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:10PM Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Ron Weber
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:39PM
Your first seven words described it well! "Marketing" Ron Weber Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: August 31, 2015 12:44PM
This same question was asked here a few weeks ago, by yourself, in fact. You received several good responses. Hit the link Bill provided.
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Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: August 31, 2015 01:00PM
I'm still looking for a definition of or a way to measure "tracking," since it is apparently accepted as a critical quality in determining the value of a fly rod blank. I think Ron Webber's above post provided confirmation of what I suspected: "tracking" is the Emperor's New Clothes of fly rod building. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: August 31, 2015 01:00PM
Heck
I did not even look to see if it was him that asked LOL All that is is the company wants to sell you there better priced rods or blanks If they are straight - they track The lure weight pulls it that way that you throw it Bill - willierods.com Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2015 01:02PM by bill boettcher. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: August 31, 2015 01:19PM
Bill: Then does "track" mean the blank/rod throws the fly line the same way every cast? Unless you change rods every couple of casts you should be able to adjust to any rod which "tracks" consistently, regardless of price. What would cause a rod to frequently change its "track"? Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Randolph Ruwe
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Date: August 31, 2015 01:34PM
The blank does not throw the line the same way every time, it can't. Only the caster can ATTEMPT to throw the line the same way every time. If that were possible, there wouldn't be any bad casts. Forget this tracking nonsense. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
dave schaub
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Date: August 31, 2015 02:29PM
There is the definition for tracking--ie NONSENSE. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: August 31, 2015 02:57PM
The idea, from a marketing standpoint, is that some rods do not follow the same path as the person moving them. Your hand goes one way and the rod another. Obviously, this isn't the case, but they would like you to believe otherwise.
So chalk up "tracking" in the same category as "smooth action," etc. Dr. Hanneman wrote a fantastic article a few years back on these market terms. ............... Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Jared Taylor
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Date: August 31, 2015 03:22PM
Tom Kirkman Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The idea, from a marketing standpoint, is that > some rods do not follow the same path as the > person moving them. Your hand goes one way and the > rod another. Obviously, this isn't the case, but > they would like you to believe otherwise. > > So chalk up "tracking" in the same category as > "smooth action," etc. Dr. Hanneman wrote a > fantastic article a few years back on these market > terms. > > ............... Tom, would I be able to find the article in an Internet search or is it on the CCS info page? If not it might be something worth putting in the library (if it isn't already there. Maybe?) I understand that marketing gurus are paid to coin new terms and tell you that A does better than B or C, because A is so much better at XYZ. Might come in handy debunking some of these overused terms. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: August 31, 2015 03:50PM
I remember that list
Just go and read any discretion of most any rod or blank I don't think a lot of the words are even in the dictionary ??? LOL Bill - willierods.com Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2015 03:51PM by bill boettcher. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: August 31, 2015 04:37PM
It's in the magazine back somewhere in Volume 7 or 8 as I recall. Slightly humorous, but more accurate than you can imagine.
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Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: August 31, 2015 04:45PM
Mass market rod makers can out-promise and undersell custom rod builders. Custom builders will lose contests with advertising agencies for mass market rod makers who invent and promise "feel" and "sensitivity" and "tracking" and other undefined and immeasurable qualities in rods. Custom builders have to educate many of their customers to REAL qualities of finished rods, qualities such as weight, power, action, hoop strength, even harmonics - stuff which is real, not imaginary hype. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
(---.res.bhn.net)
Date: August 31, 2015 04:45PM
Mass market rod makers can out-promise and undersell custom rod builders. Custom builders will lose contests with advertising agencies for mass market rod makers who invent and promise "feel" and "sensitivity" and "tracking" and other undefined and immeasurable qualities in rods. Custom builders have to educate many of their customers to REAL qualities of finished rods, qualities such as weight, power, action, hoop strength, even harmonics - stuff which is real, not imaginary hype. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
(---.res.bhn.net)
Date: August 31, 2015 04:46PM
Mass market rod makers can out-promise and undersell custom rod builders. Custom builders will lose contests with advertising agencies for mass market rod makers who invent and promise "feel" and "sensitivity" and "tracking" and other undefined and immeasurable qualities in rods. Custom builders have to educate many of their customers to REAL qualities of finished rods, qualities such as weight, power, action, hoop strength, even harmonics - stuff which is real, not imaginary hype. Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: August 31, 2015 05:37PM
Maybe we should Hype or throw the Bull more Which to me is just Lying To The Customer
Try to Educate them --- Why should they believe anything we say When the off the shelf rod is So Much Cheaper then ours They replace it outright Call them and they will send you guides for free for the ones that broke Buy a blank and it costs almost the price of THERE completed rod ??? What is wrong with this picture !!! Yet we take more care with spacing Testing Re-wrap if some thing went wrong And all the other extras that they don't get charged for Bill - willierods.com Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 31, 2015 05:41PM
Maybe we should Hype or throw the Bull more Which to me is just Lying To The Customer
Try to Educate them --- Why should they believe anything we say When the off the shelf rod is So Much Cheaper then ours They replace it outright Call them and they will send you guides for free for the ones that broke Buy a blank and it costs almost the price of THERE completed rod ??? What is wrong with this picture !!! Yet we take more care with spacing Testing Re-wrap if some thing went wrong And all the other extras that they don't get charged for Just like this post on ( tracking ) he believes it Has TWO posts Listens to the hype And does not seem to want to believe there is no truth to it ???????? Bill - willierods.com Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
Capt. Michael Harmon
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Date: August 31, 2015 05:50PM
I build fly rods that track perfectly. They cost $100-200.00 more if you want the tracking....lol. Fed ex has good tracking as well. Tight Lines MH Re: "tracking"
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: August 31, 2015 06:03PM
Thanks Michael I needed that LOL - LOL
Sounds like he needs more casting lessens Bill - willierods.com Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2015 06:37PM by bill boettcher. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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