Hi Mates!

I'm on choosing the blank for my first rodbuilding. It's going to be a 9' 6wt fly rod, for streamer fishing. I have only a few blanks I can buy for reasonable price, but unfortunately in our country I have a very limited possibility to cast test them.
I have measured the CCF of my favourite fly rod, and it has a CCF of 81-85, depending on the line used.
I would like to ask is someone of You could tell me the CCF numbers of some of the following built rods:

- Batson RX6 9' 6wt 4pc
- Batson RX7 9' 6wt 2pc
- Batson RX7 9' 6wt 4pc
- PacBay Rainforest II 9' 6wt 4pc
- PacBay Quickline 9' 6 wt. I know that its CCF is 89 in the catalogue, but I'm interrested in the CCF when the rod is finished.

Than You for your helping.
I'm sorry if this has occured before, but I was unable to find it on the site.

Hi Tamas!
Just a remark : the CCF of a rod does not depend on the line, there no line involved when you measure it.
If familiar with all the blank series you mention. I didn't measure le CCF of the rod I built but I'm fairly certain that the Quickline is the only one that will match your expectation. RX6/RX7 are way lower.

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Forecast RX6 F866-4 Rod 102 "6 wt fly" Built as a spinning rod (ERN=7, AA = 65) Don't have CCF. I would expect guides to lower CCF, but have no data as to whether it is significant or not. Finished rod CCS numbers are very close to blank CCS.

I agree with Laurent's assessment of Quicklines. They are quite fast, light, overall great blanks. And, they are quite handsome in gloss black. best kept secret in rodbuilding.

The addition of any weight will indeed lower the CCF. The more weight and the closer to the tip it's added, the more the CCF will decrease.

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I don't have the rods you're asking for, but I just measured an RX7 9'6" 7wt blank:
ERN: 8.4, AA: 67, CCF:78 (as an 8wt). With a 7wt line CCFshould be in the 83 range.

Okay Guys, thank You for your advice!

Just to clarify, the CCF of rod cannot be changed by increasing or decreasing the line weight fished or the weight used to obtain the CCF. This is because the CCF measurement, by definition, is a function of the rod's ERN value and a specific amount of weight to be used (in this case 210 grains) to measure CCF for that ERN. If understand the CCS documentation correctly, the value stated above using the 7 wt line would be called CCF-1. All are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

-The Batson TEAM
BatsonEnterprises.com

Geoff Staples Wrote:
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> Just to clarify, the CCF of rod cannot be changed
> by increasing or decreasing the line weight fished
> or the weight used to obtain the CCF. This is
> because the CCF measurement, by definition, is a
> function of the rod's ERN value and a specific
> amount of weight to be used (in this case 210
> grains) to measure CCF for that ERN. If
> understand the CCS documentation correctly, the
> value stated above using the 7 wt line would be
> called CCF-1. All are welcome to correct me if
> I'm wrong. Thanks.

Yes, CCF is measured using the appropriate weight based on the ERN.
If you read through the article, CCF+1 and CCF-1 are the terms used to measure how the "feel" of the rod changes with one heavier, and one lighter line weight.
ERN=ELN is really just a suggestion and there is nothing stopping you from measuring CCF+1.5 or other variants to find the line that might match the characteristics you are looking for.

I agree that the feel of a particular rod can be modified by changing the line weight. But, I don't think that a CCF 70 rod can be made to feel like a CCF 85 rod by dropping line weights. That would be like saying an F350 can be made to feel like a Ferarri by simply cutting weight off of the F350 until the power to weight ratios match.

-The Batson TEAM
BatsonEnterprises.com

Okay.
I tested a Beulah Platinum 9'9" 7wt rod that tests at CCF=84 and CCF+1 = 79. I used that rod as reference for my comment above.