Hi all,

I'm new to rod building (first one) and wondering if anyone has any recommendations for guide size/spacing for a 7'6" batson xp 904 spinning rod. Will be used mostly for Atlantic Bonito/False Albacore/Bluefish fishing. Casting distance is important. Will probably be used with 4000 size shimano reels and 20 lb braid. Also, do you think going up to a 1 ounce lure will be a problem? (rod is rated 1/4-3/4)

Thanks!

There is a recipe for components and guide spacing on the Batson site, upper left. It will throw 1 0z., but there won't be as much life or snap in the cast as you may want.

Thanks! I'll take a look. You think thats a good recipe?

I have the 8' version of that rod and it has quite a bit of tip power, I use it for casting 1/2 oz lures in the surf for 30"+ red drum and its perfect for it. It will cast 1 oz but the above statement about losing snap is true.

Cool thanks guys.

Wow its been awhile since my last visit busy summer fishing and all hope all is well. Give this a shot its kind of over the top but fishes well for me. We have replaced this series with the New Immortal IMMP76MH-TC if anyone was wondering.

XP904
Rainshadow RX8 Inshore Popping

Component Part Number Part Description
Rod Blank Model # XP904-TC 7'6" 1pc Mod Fast medium heavy 8-17# 1/4-3/4oz - Titanium Chrome
Fighting butt: HESGFB1.5EVACC-350 Grip Split Fighting Butt High End EVA/Cork Comp 1.5" Long ID .350"
Trim ring for fighting butt: AWCCO492-TC Aluminum Winding Check .492" ID
Trim ring for Rear grip: AWCCO472-TC Aluminum Winding Check .472" ID
Rear Grip behind seat: HEFG3.5EVACC-250 Grip Fore High End EVA/Cork Comp 3.5" Long ID .250"
Reel Seat trim ring: TRS17-TC Trim Ring for Spin Seat size 17 TiCH
Reel Seat: GS17C-TC Threads down Graphite Spin Reel Seat w/Cushion-Real Light TICH
Reel Seat Shim: SHIM/17/SPIN .660" OD 4.05" Length
Fore Grip: HEFG2.5EVACC-250 Grip Fore High End EVA/Cork Comp 2.5" Long ID .250"
Winding Check: AWCCO394-TC Aluminum Winding Check .394" ID
Hookeeper: XDSHKSS-TC SS316 Drop Shot Hook Keeper Stainless Steel-Titanium Carbide
Tip Top XTCPPCT04R5.0 TICH w/o Chrome Plated 'P' Top 06 TICH Flanged Ring 5.0 Tube
Guides (see below for size and quantity) XPTCMKCG Guide Mini SS316 'TiCh' ring RRD-TICH w/o Chrome
Guides (see below for size and quantity) XTCYTCG SS316- TICH w/o Chrome Sgl Ft Y Frame TICH Zirconium THIN Rg 16- TICH

Guide order from the tip top Guide Guide Placement - In inches from the tip top
1st XPTCMKCG03 3.25"
2nd XPTCMKCG03 6.75"
3rd XPTCMKCG03 10.75"
4th XPTCMKCG03 15.5"
5th XPTCMKCG03 20.5"
6th XPTCMKCG03 25.75"
7th XPTCMKCG05 31.5"
8th XTCYTCG06 38.5"
9th XTCYTCG10 47"
10th XTCYTCG16 56"

Here is a bit more basic set up

XP904
Rainshadow RX8 Inshore Popping

Component Part Number Part Description
Rod Blank Model # XP904-TC 7'6" 1pc Mod Fast medium heavy 8-17# 1/4-3/4oz - Titanium Chrome
Fighting butt: HESGFB1.5EVACC-350 Grip Split Fighting Butt High End EVA/Cork Comp 1.5" Long ID .350"
Trim ring for fighting butt: AWCCO492-TC Aluminum Winding Check .492" ID
Trim ring for Rear grip: AWCCO472-TC Aluminum Winding Check .472" ID
Rear Grip behind seat: HEFG3.5EVACC-250 Grip Fore High End EVA/Cork Comp 3.5" Long ID .250"
Reel Seat trim ring: TRS17-TC Trim Ring for Spin Seat size 17 TiCH
Reel Seat: GS17C-TC Threads down Textured Gray Graphite Spin Reel Seat w/Cushion-Real Light TICH
Reel Seat Shim: SHIM/17/SPIN .660" OD 4.05" Length
Fore Grip: HEFG2.5EVACC-250 Grip Fore High End EVA/Cork Comp 2.5" Long ID .250"
Winding Check: AWCCO394-TC Aluminum Winding Check .394" ID
Hookeeper: XDSHKSS-TC SS316 Drop Shot Hook Keeper Stainless Steel-Titanium Carbide
Tip Top TCPCT06F05.0 or XTCPPCT06R5.0 TICH w/o Chrome Plated 'P' Top 06 TICH Flanged Ring 5.0 Tube
Guides (see below for size and quantity) XPTCFCG SS316- TICHw/o Chrome Sgl Ft TICH Zirconium Rg RRD
Guides (see below for size and quantity) XTCYTCG SS316- TICH w/o Chrome Sgl Ft Y Frame TICH Zirconium THIN Rg 25- TICH

Guide order from the tip top Guide Guide Placement - In inches from the tip top
1st XPTCFCG06 4.5"
2nd XPTCFCG06 9.25"
3rd XPTCFCG07 14.25"
4th XPTCFCG08 20"
5th XTCYTCG08 26"
6th XTCYTCG10 33"
7th XTCYTCG16 42"
8th XTCYTCG25 54"

And the new immortal Casting set up in case someone is in the market for one :)

IMMP76MH-TC
Rainshadow Immortal Cast

Component Part Number Part Description
Rod Blank Model # IMMP76MH-TC Blank 7'6" 1pc Med Hvy 8-17lb-Titan Chrome
Fighting Butt: TFB16TR-TC Fighting Butt Tri Shape ID .662" (16.82mm) w/TR- Dark Titan Smoke
Option 1 Rear Grip: HEFGE17-1 HE FG 0.875" length 0.250" bore black EVA (60%) w/CC
Option 2 No Rear Split Grip: None Rear grip with AWCCO483 Aluminum Winding Check w/cut out I.D. - TC
Front Split Grip Trim: AWCCO463-TC Aluminum Winding Check w/cut out I.D. - TC
Reel Seat Rear Grip: HEFG3.5EVACC-250 Grip Fore High End EVA/Cork Comp 3.5" Long ID .250"
Reel Seat: ATEX14-WTS-TC (9.5 inches up) Reel Seat Alum Trigger w/cushion Texalium Silver Insert-Titanium
Note: Place seat 10 inches up from butt
Fore Grip: HEFGE16-1 remove tendon HE FG 0.875" length 0.188" bore black EVA (60%) w/CC
Winding Check: AWCCO423-TC Aluminum Winding Check w/cut out I.D. - TC
Hook Keeper: XDSHKSS-TC Put 2" above seat on left SS316 Drop Shot Hook Keeper Stainless Steel-Dark Titanium Smoke
Tip Top: XTCPPZT05R05.5 SS316-RRD-P Top 06'Z' Ring 5.5 Tube - TICH w/o Chrome
Guides (see below for size and quantity) TIPFZG05 Guide Titanium Sgl Foot Zirc Rg-Polished
Guides (see below for size and quantity) TIMXNZG Guide Titanium MXN Zirc Rg-Polished

Guide order from the tip top Guide Guide Placement - In inches from the tip top
1st TIPFZG05 3.5"
2nd TIPFZG05 7.125"
3rd TIPFZG05 10.875"
4th TIPFZG05 14.75"
5th TIPFZG05 18.75"
6th TIPFZG05 24.25"
7th TIPFZG05 30.125"
8th TIPFZG05 36.375"
9th TIMXNZG08 42.625"
10th TIMXNZG10 49.375
11th TIMXNZG12 57"

Karry Batson
Batson Enterprises Inc.
Ph: (877) 875-2381
Fax: (360) 683-3579
karry@batsonenterprises.com
www.batsonenterprises.com

are those all mini guides? And where would i find them? I've never used mini guides before, any pluses or minuses? Thanks, I'm pretty new to this. I'm used to fishing G Loomis gl2 live bait rods mostly if that helps. I have a few in the 8-17 lb line range.

HI EZRA...WE COULD HELP YOU OUT AT MIDWEST ROD AND REEL...WE HAVE BLANK AND ALL COMPONENTS
HERE IS A LINK TO THE WEB-SITE [www.midwestrodandreel.com]

Bill@midwestrodandreel.com
www.midwestrodandreel.com

I would consider the tip Micro/mini but not the guides. Personally don't consider things Micro till I've gone to 4-mm or smaller

HEY BILL AT MIDWEST RODS! STOP YELLING! IF YOU READ MY ORIGINAL POST, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I ALREADY HAVE THE BLANK! ALSO, YOUR POST DOES NOTHING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, IT'S JUST A PLUG FOR YOUR WEBSITE! THANKS!

ezra agnew Wrote:
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> HEY BILL AT MIDWEST RODS! STOP YELLING! IF YOU
> READ MY ORIGINAL POST, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I
> ALREADY HAVE THE BLANK! ALSO, YOUR POST DOES
> NOTHING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, IT'S JUST A PLUG
> FOR YOUR WEBSITE! THANKS!

I can't say that Bill was yelling, but his caps button was pushed.

What I can say is that Bill has a first class act at Midwest Rod & Reel. He does much more then sell, he is a teacher and educator and will help you with your problem or situation. By contacting Bill he would help answer your questions about guides, spacing, reel seats and much more.

I think you may have missed an opportunity here for some great help.

Ummmm,

Typing in all caps on a forum is universally recognized as the internet version of yelling. Has been for at least a decade. I don't doubt that Bill may be running a "first class act" or that he knows what he's talking about. The fact remains that it appears he didn't really read my post, as I already have the blank and he's telling me he has one. He also claims to have "all the components" when I never stated what components I was looking for. I was looking for suggestions, as clearly stated. Whether or not he knows his s#*t or runs a good business, etc, is neither here nor there. I'm now aware of his website, which was clearly the object of his post. Do you have any suggestions for my rod build? Or are you just posting to bust my chops? I know I'm new here, but I came looking for advice, not to be chastised. It might've gotten lost, but I meant my last post in playful way. Thanks.

Ezra

You may want to look at a blank that can handle 1 1/4 or higher lure weight if you plan to use 1 oz lure weight A tad more power
You can also put any guide spacing chart - just static test and adjust the guides
[anglersresource.net]

Bill - willierods.com